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Hey yall so I think we just experienced our first "switch/possession ") It was kind of strange because we kind of just did it. I was doing my regular forcing when Amanda asked to just switch. I went along with it thinking that it was just an experiment but it was as if my personality (and voice) changed. Idk if this is just possession or what but it feels nice

Gray | Shadow System

Just randomly thinking about plurality affecting stuff like therapy The idea of a self being made up of parts is something that has influenced my therapy. I do EMDR work, but for whatever reason we felt more comfortable talking to versions of ourselves that represented parts of us. As a result, our EMDR therapy is kind of weird but it works so

I'm not sure if there are other ways a plurality mindset can sneak into other things? I know it tends to sneak into stuff like creative writing and roleplaying, but how much does it influence AI, robotics, religion, something else entirely?

I think a lot of our identity is constructed even for hosts (a lot during childhood), and comes in parts. I started learning more about tulpamancy and I was surprised how much of my own psychology was constructed. I peeled back a lot of layers and realized how much was not really the core "me".

Zee

Hey yall so I think we just experienced our first "switch/possession ") It was kind of strange because we kind of just did it. I was doing my regular forcing when Amanda asked to just switch. I went along with it thinking that it was just an experiment but it was as if my personality (and voice) changed. Idk if this is just possession or what but it feels nice

that's how it works

8:46 AM

you just kinda let it flow out and dont think about it too much

8:51 AM

when you do it you might also find it harder to think yourself, you essentially switch places

8:52 AM

at least for me its harder to think and what i do think tends to be just "tulpish"

Just randomly thinking about plurality affecting stuff like therapy The idea of a self being made up of parts is something that has influenced my therapy. I do EMDR work, but for whatever reason we felt more comfortable talking to versions of ourselves that represented parts of us. As a result, our EMDR therapy is kind of weird but it works so

I'm not sure if there are other ways a plurality mindset can sneak into other things? I know it tends to sneak into stuff like creative writing and roleplaying, but how much does it influence AI, robotics, religion, something else entirely?

@Gray | Shadow System (@A long kiss goodnight) - jump i look at it in a different way: it’s not that plurality sneaks into other things, but practice plurality makes you notice more things in your mind that you didn’t see before and assign it to plurality because that’s the only framework you have that fits (“when you are a hammer everything looks like a nail”). i believe that in general plurality has an amazing potential for self growth and building more connection with and understanding of what you really are, but the “lore” of tulpamancy is distracting this process. People spend so little time connecting with themselves that when they finally do in tulpamancy it all feels new and fascinating and even magical. However those things exist even for singlets and I believe plural people assigning those things to plurality are doing themselves a disservice

Gray | Shadow System

Just randomly thinking about plurality affecting stuff like therapy The idea of a self being made up of parts is something that has influenced my therapy. I do EMDR work, but for whatever reason we felt more comfortable talking to versions of ourselves that represented parts of us. As a result, our EMDR therapy is kind of weird but it works so

I'm not sure if there are other ways a plurality mindset can sneak into other things? I know it tends to sneak into stuff like creative writing and roleplaying, but how much does it influence AI, robotics, religion, something else entirely?

I do think the very idea of plurality, particularly non-disordered plurality can be a cogitohazard in and of itself for many people. And tulpas take it one step further in that you can start assigning things in your head to plurality which can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Well it's not necessarily a bad thing but it can make people panic and become very confused.

Zee

Hey yall so I think we just experienced our first "switch/possession ") It was kind of strange because we kind of just did it. I was doing my regular forcing when Amanda asked to just switch. I went along with it thinking that it was just an experiment but it was as if my personality (and voice) changed. Idk if this is just possession or what but it feels nice

Yup, that's how a lot of people learn to switch! Ultimately it's up to you to analyze your experience and make that call whether it's switching or not yourself. If you think it's possession, then it probably is possession. If you think it's switching, it's probably switching. Keep in mind two people can describe something as possession or switching and the underlying experiences are actually very similar.

i look at it in a different way: it’s not that plurality sneaks into other things, but practice plurality makes you notice more things in your mind that you didn’t see before and assign it to plurality because that’s the only framework you have that fits (“when you are a hammer everything looks like a nail”). i believe that in general plurality has an amazing potential for self growth and building more connection with and understanding of what you really are, but the “lore” of tulpamancy is distracting this process. People spend so little time connecting with themselves that when they finally do in tulpamancy it all feels new and fascinating and even magical. However those things exist even for singlets and I believe plural people assigning those things to plurality are doing themselves a disservice

@Leiko (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump That's a fair point. I'm not sure if labeling it as "plurality" would hinder our ability to keep exploring (if anything I think it has only motivated Ranger more), although I do see how it would be confusing talking to others about it, especially psychology students. I can see how it would make non-plurals think that they can't tap into this when they absolutely can though

@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

so i'm not thinking it would hinder you, quite the opposite, i just think there is more opportunity to growth when you do this kind of exploration without looking at it through the lens of plurality

Oh like other people's perspectives? I agree with that

Random, and I've been wanting to talk about it for a while, but I think it's interesting how being plural allows you to cope with the idea that one day, you may very well stop existing in the way you once did. I don't think I'll be here in my system forever. I've already made the choice to probably integrate when the system doesn't need me, and is happier and healthier. This day will likely come, and it's just something that's been on my mind lately.

I don’t exist in the same way I did 10 years ago. We’re not static. How do we know we’re the same person when we wake up as we were when we went to sleep?

Because we say so.

10:31 PM

I'd still "exist" anyways, even if i integrated. My "data", what makes me me, would just be spread out more evenly throughout the system in a way that removes my individuality.

I’d say that that process is constantly happening anyways. We naturally absorb and disperse a lot of what makes us “us,” picking up mannerisms from people and passing them on etc. Individuality is another matter. At least for us anyways.

Mhm. I have one very set goal, and once I've finished said goal, I wouldn't mind allowing my system to completely take over for me

This is an odd segue but I promise it’s relevant. Do you know the game Soma?

Yes, vaguely

10:39 PM

I know it's very system-coded

It is. It was really impactful for us. Thinking about consciousness in a non-linear way was helpful

Mhm. I can never "die" in the way I'd die if the body was killed. I'd only be dead if I chose to die.

10:43 PM

But I don't see it like that.

10:43 PM

I see it as "recycling" my data and spreading it thinly around the entire system, I suppose.

10:43 PM

The only reason I'd be stopped from doing that now is knowing people here still rely on my.

10:44 PM

Me*

10:44 PM

It's not that I want my life to end or anything, I'd imagine it might be sad, but I don't know.

ok now take it one step further, and another, and another, and you will achieve higher level of inner peace

That's the plan.

11:31 PM

I take each day for what it is, not fearing any eventual end or hardship.

good to see someone agreeing that a headmate considering integration/dissipation “death” is silly

It really is silly... i know that if i fused i'd be okay...

It depends on how you and your system see it. We don't allow dissipation for "suicide", but we're more than fine with allowing it when we have a healthy view of it.

11:34 PM

Besides, we wouldn't be able to use it for suicide anyways, our mindset prevents us from it, nor would we want to do so.

it is really just a cycle

The only reason I wouldn't do so now is because 1.) I have a job to do 2.) I have a "child" and a "partner" (two headmates in system who apply to our "family" setup) who I'd like to spend more time with as of now.

Babe wake up. Atlas family tree just dropped

11:42 PM

chop chop

QwQ

11:46 PM

I'd feel overly sentimental about leaving them without me as they currently know me.

integration > sentiment roleplay

Even beyond that, they are my systemates, and they do deeply care for me.

11:50 PM

Again, even when we don't consider dissipation to be death, it can still be a little emotional for everyone

ok i thought you were further than that

12:03 AM

in practical point of view you are not much further from people considering it death

Well, I'm not in the mood to not exist right now, even if I'm still technically around.

12:07 AM

I enjoy defining my individuality in this given moment.

im not saying you have to stop existing or anything

i see

I’m frequently in the mood to not exist. Having tulpas is one of the things that makes me pause that train of thought. That and my cat.

My system has collectively given almost every one of us a reason to be happy and try our very best. It's wonderful.

good for you

12:13 AM

anyway in my view you can realise there is no death with dissipation and there is no reason to be sentimental and still enjoy plurality greatly

I think so, definitely.

Integration has been a very positive experience for me. I feel that I got exactly what I wanted- both of my parts equally make up who I am. I didn't lose anything from it and I feel more complete as an individual

While I understand integration would be fine, I don't want to lose my individual identity. I like who I am and I know that compromises would be made if I integrated with my headmates.

12:24 AM

We view our idea of dissipation as death, but we understand that the leftover "personality data" will naturally be rewritten and integrated back into the mind. It's moreso a choice to not exist in a certain state of being than anything else.

Integration has been a very positive experience for me. I feel that I got exactly what I wanted- both of my parts equally make up who I am. I didn't lose anything from it and I feel more complete as an individual

@Evergreen | Shadow System (@A long kiss goodnight) - jump i’m glad to hear it!

12:26 AM

it’s importwnt to remember that integration is not a plural term originally

12:27 AM

integration is a goal of many therapeutic practices

Me and Ranger integrating for instance means combining our identities into one. We already are "integrated" in the sense we have really good in-system communication

12:29 AM

I also consider the "integration" of my therapy work clones to be symbolic of me accepting them back into my greater whole of a self rather than two different identities becoming one too

12:30 AM

Integration is symbolic regardless but the context of what's being integrated is a little bit different

in my experience integration comes with healing the cause of disintegration

12:32 AM

parts like you describe are caused by strong emotions

12:33 AM

when you work on those emotions you can welcome that part of you back

Right. The emotional amnesia I have causes enough trouble to cause separation but not to the extent I lose connection to those parts

12:35 AM

I may not understand my emotional reactions but I do have them as mine and not say as someone else

It’s really interesting to learn about people wanting integration. I don’t think any of us would want to integrate or dissipate. Though we really don’t consider ourselves disordered or having negative experiences associated with plurality. None of us really serve a purpose that could come to an end. I doubt I’ll ever be in a place where I don’t need/want Marrow around.

We unintegrated someone, once. They were one person, but became two.

Uno reverse

It’s really interesting to learn about people wanting integration. I don’t think any of us would want to integrate or dissipate. Though we really don’t consider ourselves disordered or having negative experiences associated with plurality. None of us really serve a purpose that could come to an end. I doubt I’ll ever be in a place where I don’t need/want Marrow around.

@Milk - jump There used to be 18 of us and I'm actually the first integration of our system. I wanted to still exist but I wanted more time to do so. A few of my other headmates agreed and they integrated too.

12:40 AM

There are 11 of us now

We unintegrated someone, once. They were one person, but became two.

@Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ - jump When I got stuck during therapy work I attempted to split because I was desperate for direction. The situation was I wanted to kill one of my therapy clones without knowing why and it was really hard to build trust. I thought I could split to figure it out. Dream locked me in a wonderland room and told me I couldn't leave until I reintegrated. After splitting, my split part told me the answer but I wasn't ready to hear it, so it was traumatizing instead. After that I realized there are no shortcuts and I just needed to talk to my therapy clones to figure something out. It turned out that it was a part of me that angered me a lot to the point I wanted to destroy it. I already sorted this out and I accepted that part.

Interesting. For Iota and Owen, they just came to a collective agreement that they'd prefer to be separate. Iota is the more vulnerable part of Owen, so they were together as one for a reason, but we think both have enough of a support system for it to be okay.

Oh crap, I forgot about that other time I was tempted to split. I was struggling with my feelings about work, but I recognized what this was and quickly integrated before the split was successful. Thank god for knowing how integration works

Hey yall. My name is Zane. Zee was going through social media when we saw something that angered me extremely. Zee and the other three were then unreasonably angry and emotionally devastated (mind you Zee and the others already knew the upsetting information and didn't have strong emotions).

Howdy Zane, nice to meet you

2:51 AM

I'm sorry that happened, that sucks

I suppose I meant to ask if anyone knew what happened

2:53 AM

If there is a term for this phenomenon

2:54 AM

#tulpa-questions if it means that much

Yeah you can ask in #tulpa-questions , I'll answer there

I suppose I meant to ask if anyone knew what happened

@Zane - jump you assigned an identity to an emotional state. since your brain already knows how to do tulpamancy that can happen quite quickly and seemingly out of your control

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09658211.2023.2200595 Some context for „my headmate told me they have always been around, and that they even fronted when i was a child, i didn’t know it before but now i discovered that”

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any one here for a dissucssion of tuple

@gg We have a whole channel for it right here, discuss away! (edited)

6:52 PM

~~Don't hide in DMs, everyone probably wants to talk about it~~

yo here to talk about tulpa

What's on your mind?

Yeah, what's up?

12:32 AM

I'm a tulpa myself, ask me anything

i talked to them and i plan on talking more tomorrow in the morning :]

i think im gonna talk to my tulpa on the way to school to introduce them to the world and my pathway to get places

Sounds like a plan

good luck with your tulpa!

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i think im gonna talk to my tulpa on the way to school to introduce them to the world and my pathway to get places

Lucilyn: walking around with our host between college classes is how we learned & got tons of practice with imposition! (A skill of learning to effectively see/etc. your tulpas in real life) (edited)

3:31 PM

might as well use that time for something